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Poster: He Live's Date: Jan 27, 2009 8:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: TJI (johnupdike)

"this just in"

apparently SDH (Some Dark Hollow) is responsible for this category. first TDIH and now TJI.


just in case there are other total morons like myself, it means "this just in"

good night sir. i sort of stopped at cheever and roth.... but i know you had your place in "the canon."


(wineland - funny you posted on this already -- i didn't realize that -- but i am more about spreading the word on TJI.)






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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jan 27, 2009 9:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TJI (johnupdike)

back in circa '88, not long out of the Army, i went through about a 6 month Updike phase, then i read Ginsberg's 'Howl' which put a fast & quick end to stuffy NewEngland lit. icons; yeah, i guess he's canonized in the holy canon, but i find it vastly more comfortable partaking the sights and sounds of Bukowski

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jan 27, 2009 10:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TJI (johnupdike)

Yay, a Buk fan. I'm in the middle of "Ham On Rye" as we speak...

Bukowski

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Poster: Bassy Twang Date: Jan 28, 2009 1:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TJI (johnupdike)

Updike was a real pipesmoker, but was he a lesbian as well ?

I really thought this thread was referring to >

http://www.archive.org/services/collection-rss.php?collection=GratefulDead

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Poster: deyzof49 Date: Jan 27, 2009 10:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TJI (johnupdike)

strangely enough I read Updike back in 88 too. (Rocket 88 good record). One volume with the first three Rabbit books. When I finished I went back and read it again. Then I searched out the last volume. Harry was some character and lived in some strange times. Could'nt get into his other stuff much and these days i don't read much, tho' the other day i read Ginsbergs "Adapted from Neruda's Que dispierte el lenador", as a peace vibe in these troubled times.
Before the inauguration I was wondering which poet would say a few words. I could have dug Ginsberg declaiming America or gettin naked on the podium. I wondered about Snyder but maybe trees and mountains don't do it for some. I reckon Hunter could have written something cool but kayaking sounds better than hanging around DC. Bukowski would have preferred going to the track.
Anyways I reckon the first verse of Loser is some of the finest poetry I've ever heard. I'm Listening to 1971-10-31. I started typing at Loser and now it's one more Saturday Night. Slow huh? When I started school, the classroom was a corrugated wartime hut, with an oilcloth map of the world on the wall, highlighting the British Empire in red. We wrote with a pen nib on a stick dipped into an inkwell on the desk. So i ain't too good at computers. I do know that I dig this archive and all the treasures on it. Upto '74 is my favourite Dead period and Jerry has a wonderful guitar tone even without Tiger.
Farewell John Updike, Happy Birthday Jackson Bollocks. Time for more Rosy Lee and greet the day.

Peace.

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Poster: He Live's Date: Jan 27, 2009 11:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TJI (johnupdike)

funny... this really is all happenstance. i am like "what is TJI?" and duh... ok, i make sense of it.... and then i am like, getting cute for another kind of TJI, and i hit on updike. and then i am thinking about updike for a second, and CHEEVER comes right to mind -- because i remember reading "The Swimmer" and thinking "Oh... why did updike even bother? this guy nailed it once and for all....." and so OK, i've got cheever.... and then i have ROTH too... i mean, he captured that same middle class thing PLUS he was a little risque too, wrote about sex and smoking.... ok, so i have smoked my share... and my memory.... what was i saying?

anyway, now BUKOWSKI comes to mind, but no.... he is too far removed for my post about TJI/UPDIKE


HEY NOW! that was really good now wasn't it? JOHN UPDIKE: rest in peace you stuffy motherfucker.......


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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 28, 2009 7:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TJI (johnupdike)

Blutarsky? My literary experience outside of straightup historical pieces is pathetic, but you've gotta love Blutarsky; I know SDH does...and with each of the above references all I could think of was Belushi...

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Jan 28, 2009 4:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TJI (johnupdike)

Read about updike this AM in the WSJ. Funny that I read lots of books but have never read an Updike that I can think of. It may have been my mom's fault as I think she tried to push Cheever on me. I guess now I'll have to read some Updike.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 28, 2009 5:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TJI (johnupdike)

i was never a huge Updike fan (though I mourn his passing from the literary world) - i always enjoyed Cheever much more - though a much better short story writer than novelist imho. good for your mom ;)

still dont think Updike can touch Roth, Pynchon, or (my fav) McCarthy. then again, the man had many awards so what do i know - hah ;)

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Poster: He Live's Date: Jan 28, 2009 8:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TJI (johnupdike)

the first couple rabbit books are pretty good -- and i know he wrote at least a few good short stories -- but me too, i enjoyed cheever so much more. and i mean really, how many books do you need to read about upper middle-class white new englanders?

(then again, how many Jack Straw's do i really need taking up space on my laptop? ........... alright, i can't find one i want to delete right now -- but i will, for updike's sake.)


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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 28, 2009 8:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TJI (johnupdike)

"...how many books do you need to read about upper middle-class white new englanders?"

too funny :)

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 28, 2009 8:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TJI (johnupdike)

I prefer the ones about working class southerners (then again, it's easier to identify with the background and upbringing - coming from a guy who originally thought mint jelly was for the biscuits and not the lamb. Give me a fuckin' hushpuppy and/or cornbread w/ molasses).

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 28, 2009 8:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TJI (johnupdike)

gotta love McCarthy's "appalachia" etc novels (non-western). though some of those characters are not exactly "working class" - more like bottom feeding weirdos (but in a good way)

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 28, 2009 8:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TJI (johnupdike)

First book of his I read was Suttree - loved it and knew that area of Tenn very well. He nailed it.